DmitryOlenin

Думал над трапом, да. Однако существ было мало, а линкс весьма качественное существо.

На этот раз я не смог себе отказать в кобре Сыграл 2-1. К вопросу о моём чудовищном везении... Проиграл в финале я в лучших традициях. Муллиган до 4х, сдался. Выиграл. Муллиган до 6. Это при том, что в первом туре я муллиганился до 6 все 3 игры. Event #: 678619Time: 11/10/2009 12:48:23 AM Players: hannibal Krannish rimsteijvers --> dolenin 1337kurre cabal31000 matthieu The_Great_Dustini ------ ZEN ------ Pack 1 pick 1: Mold Shambler --> Burst Lightning Spell Pierce Hagra Crocodile Bala Ged Thief Plains Hellfire Mongrel Trailblazer's Boots Nimbus Wings Windrider Eel Vampire's Bite Cliff Threader Relic Crush Baloth Woodcrasher Magma Rift Pack 1 pick 2: Goblin Bushwhacker Lethargy Trap Jwar Isle Refuge Territorial Baloth Makindi Shieldmate Kor Cartographer --> Felidar Sovereign Caravan Hurda Merfolk Wayfinder Tanglesap Umara Raptor Forest Heartstabber Mosquito Kraken Hatchling Pack 1 pick 3: Shatterskull Giant Oran-Rief Recluse Sejiri Refuge Vines of Vastwood Crypt Ripper Forest Pillarfield Ox Gomazoa Ior Ruin Expedition Bold Defense Sky Ruin Drake Steppe Lynx --> Shepherd of the Lost Pack 1 pick 4: --> Goblin Shortcutter Mountain Umara Raptor Frontier Guide Turntimber Grove Torch Slinger Spreading Seas Trapmaker's Snare Guul Draz Vampire Harrow Caravan Hurda Nissa's Chosen Pack 1 pick 5: --> Bladetusk Boar Demolish Paralyzing Grasp Cliff Threader Beast Hunt Molten Ravager Grim Discovery Cancel Timbermaw Larva Noble Vestige Island Pack 1 pick 6: Jwar Isle Refuge Scythe Tiger --> Zektar Shrine Expedition Mindless Null Whiplash Trap Noble Vestige Tempest Owl Swamp Hedron Scrabbler Summoning Trap Pack 1 pick 7: --> Zektar Shrine Expedition Pillarfield Ox Relic Crush Primal Bellow Demolish Paralyzing Grasp Island Zendikar Farguide Vampire's Bite Pack 1 pick 8: Trapfinder's Trick Beast Hunt Scythe Tiger Quest for the Holy Relic Bog Tatters Archmage Ascension --> Ior Ruin Expedition Swamp Pack 1 pick 9: Spell Pierce Plains Trailblazer's Boots Nimbus Wings Vampire's Bite --> Cliff Threader Relic Crush Pack 1 pick 10: Lethargy Trap Caravan Hurda Merfolk Wayfinder Tanglesap Forest --> Kraken Hatchling Pack 1 pick 11: Sejiri Refuge Forest Pillarfield Ox Ior Ruin Expedition --> Bold Defense Pack 1 pick 12: Mountain --> Turntimber Grove Spreading Seas Trapmaker's Snare Pack 1 pick 13: --> Beast Hunt Noble Vestige Island Pack 1 pick 14: Scythe Tiger --> Swamp Pack 1 pick 15: --> Island ------ ZEN ------ Pack 2 pick 1: Pitfall Trap Highland Berserker Giant Scorpion Expedition Map --> Lotus Cobra Island Adventuring Gear Kabira Crossroads Kor Sanctifiers Landbind Ritual Reckless Scholar Territorial Baloth Savage Silhouette Surrakar Marauder Merfolk Wayfinder Pack 2 pick 2: Grazing Gladehart Ruinous Minotaur Hideous End Archive Trap --> Punishing Fire Quest for Ancient Secrets Seismic Shudder Stonework Puma Caravan Hurda Hagra Diabolist Swamp Pillarfield Ox Turntimber Grove Kraken Hatchling Pack 2 pick 3: Whiplash Trap Desecrated Earth Elemental Appeal --> Teetering Peaks Stonework Puma Mountain River Boa (FOIL) Hagra Crocodile Caller of Gales Graypelt Refuge Narrow Escape Kraken Hatchling Mold Shambler Pack 2 pick 4: Whiplash Trap Feast of Blood Highland Berserker Adventuring Gear --> Plated Geopede Hagra Diabolist Runeflare Trap Kor Hookmaster Forest Oran-Rief Survivalist Nimana Sell-Sword Soaring Seacliff Pack 2 pick 5: Crypt of Agadeem Kor Duelist Cobra Trap Plains Pillarfield Ox Crypt Ripper Explorer's Scope Soaring Seacliff Expedition Map Vines of Vastwood --> Torch Slinger Pack 2 pick 6: Tanglesap Blood Seeker Akoum Refuge Lethargy Trap Makindi Shieldmate Guul Draz Vampire --> Arrow Volley Trap Goblin War Paint Vampire Lacerator Mountain Pack 2 pick 7: Turntimber Grove Mountain Bold Defense --> Turntimber Basilisk Seismic Shudder Predatory Urge Guul Draz Vampire Spreading Seas Ravenous Trap Pack 2 pick 8: Teetering Peaks Forest Expedition Map Kabira Crossroads --> Armament Master Khalni Gem Pitfall Trap Needlebite Trap Pack 2 pick 9: Expedition Map Island Kabira Crossroads --> Kor Sanctifiers Landbind Ritual Savage Silhouette Merfolk Wayfinder Pack 2 pick 10: --> Grazing Gladehart Quest for Ancient Secrets Seismic Shudder Caravan Hurda Swamp Turntimber Grove Pack 2 pick 11: Desecrated Earth Mountain --> Hagra Crocodile Caller of Gales Graypelt Refuge Pack 2 pick 12: --> Feast of Blood Runeflare Trap Forest Soaring Seacliff Pack 2 pick 13: --> Cobra Trap Plains Soaring Seacliff Pack 2 pick 14: --> Lethargy Trap Mountain Pack 2 pick 15: --> Mountain ------ ZEN ------ Pack 3 pick 1: Tuktuk Grunts Joraga Bard Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Swamp Harrow Soul Stair Expedition --> World Queller Steppe Lynx Molten Ravager Merfolk Seastalkers Vampire Lacerator Quest for the Gravelord Hedron Crab Tempest Owl Pack 3 pick 2: Inferno Trap Ondu Cleric Makindi Shieldmate Torch Slinger Spreading Seas Goblin Bushwhacker Misty Rainforest Lethargy Trap Oran-Rief Recluse Needlebite Trap Forest --> Steppe Lynx Goblin Shortcutter Umara Raptor Pack 3 pick 3: Baloth Cage Trap Piranha Marsh Sky Ruin Drake Mountain Caller of Gales Nissa's Chosen Narrow Escape Grazing Gladehart Desecrated Earth --> Highland Berserker Quest for the Gemblades Murasa Pyromancer Goblin Guide Pack 3 pick 4: Hedron Scrabbler Surrakar Marauder Scythe Tiger Quest for the Holy Relic Joraga Bard Mire Blight Oran-Rief Recluse --> Kor Cartographer Murasa Pyromancer Slaughter Cry Welkin Tern Island Pack 3 pick 5: Spidersilk Net Beast Hunt Kor Outfitter Vampire's Bite Kazandu Refuge Magma Rift Primal Bellow Island --> Kor Cartographer Scythe Tiger Trapfinder's Trick Pack 3 pick 6: Spell Pierce Sejiri Refuge Plains Noble Vestige Mindless Null Nimbus Wings Cliff Threader Relic Crush Tempest Owl --> Adventuring Gear Pack 3 pick 7: Pyromancer Ascension Sunspring Expedition Mire Blight Khalni Heart Expedition Quest for Pure Flame Soul Stair Expedition Island Tempest Owl --> Molten Ravager Pack 3 pick 8: Turntimber Grove --> Windborne Charge Territorial Baloth Caravan Hurda Ior Ruin Expedition Kraken Hatchling Forest Desecrated Earth Pack 3 pick 9: Joraga Bard Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Swamp Soul Stair Expedition --> Molten Ravager Tempest Owl Pack 3 pick 10: Makindi Shieldmate Spreading Seas --> Goblin Bushwhacker Lethargy Trap Needlebite Trap Forest Pack 3 pick 11: --> Piranha Marsh Mountain Caller of Gales Desecrated Earth Quest for the Gemblades Pack 3 pick 12: --> Hedron Scrabbler Scythe Tiger Quest for the Holy Relic Island Pack 3 pick 13: --> Beast Hunt Scythe Tiger Trapfinder's Trick Pack 3 pick 14: Plains --> Noble Vestige Pack 3 pick 15: --> Tempest Owl Итоговая колода Загадка (не смотрите драфт до разгадывания): Вот так я снял с оппонента за 1 ход ровно 20 жизней только при помощи 4х карт: 1 сорсери, 1 инстант, 2 энчантмента. Можете подумать сами, а для тех, кто не догадался:

Хорошо, попробую ещё раз. Какая курва на твой взгляд является оптимальной (или идеальной, к которой надо стремиться)? 3 состоит из 2х спеллов - наши не цель за G (которые иногда ещё и раскачки) и одного эквипа. Чем тебе не 1 - я не знаю. Линксов не подвезли? Ну, бывает...

Взял первым пиком фечку. А потом решил всё же попробовать собрать колоду... Посплитил. Event #: 678310Time: 11/9/2009 11:08:08 PM Players: loeken itilgor CokeLight DJdeluxe master_of_holograms --> dolenin Sick_Variance Kmaster ------ ZEN ------ Pack 1 pick 1: Caravan Hurda Kor Hookmaster Spreading Seas Ravenous Trap Seismic Shudder Nissa's Chosen Jwar Isle Refuge Plains Vampire Lacerator Windborne Charge Oran-Rief Survivalist Guul Draz Vampire Soaring Seacliff --> Marsh Flats Ondu Cleric Pack 1 pick 2: Vastwood Gorger Plains Explorer's Scope Teetering Peaks Tanglesap Ruinous Minotaur Spreading Seas Arrow Volley Trap Reckless Scholar Makindi Shieldmate --> Blazing Torch Landbind Ritual Summoning Trap Guul Draz Vampire Pack 1 pick 3: Frontier Guide Plains Slaughter Cry Expedition Map (FOIL) Crypt Ripper --> Plated Geopede Welkin Tern Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition Shoal Serpent Khalni Gem Pitfall Trap Scythe Tiger Pack 1 pick 4: Spidersilk Net Noble Vestige Merfolk Wayfinder Ior Ruin Expedition Joraga Bard --> Shieldmate's Blessing (FOIL) Cancel Ravenous Trap Jwar Isle Refuge Plains Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Pack 1 pick 5: --> Steppe Lynx Vines of Vastwood Ruinous Minotaur Arrow Volley Trap Pillarfield Ox Mountain Giant Scorpion Paralyzing Grasp Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle Umara Raptor Hellfire Mongrel Pack 1 pick 6: --> Geyser Glider Grim Discovery Hagra Diabolist Island Joraga Bard Slaughter Cry Kor Outfitter Sunspring Expedition Shoal Serpent Kazandu Refuge Pack 1 pick 7: Narrow Escape Whiplash Trap Tajuru Archer Spreading Seas --> Teetering Peaks Plains Trailblazer's Boots Landbind Ritual Stonework Puma Pack 1 pick 8: --> Tuktuk Grunts Ior Ruin Expedition Seascape Aerialist Akoum Refuge Swamp Whiplash Trap Crypt Ripper Vastwood Gorger Pack 1 pick 9: Caravan Hurda Spreading Seas Ravenous Trap --> Seismic Shudder Jwar Isle Refuge Plains Soaring Seacliff Pack 1 pick 10: Plains Tanglesap --> Ruinous Minotaur Spreading Seas Reckless Scholar Landbind Ritual Pack 1 pick 11: Plains Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition --> Shoal Serpent Scythe Tiger Pack 1 pick 12: Noble Vestige --> Merfolk Wayfinder Ravenous Trap Plains Pack 1 pick 13: --> Ruinous Minotaur Mountain Paralyzing Grasp Pack 1 pick 14: --> Island Sunspring Expedition Pack 1 pick 15: --> Plains ------ ZEN ------ Pack 2 pick 1: Bold Defense Grazing Gladehart Desecrated Earth Pitfall Trap Goblin Bushwhacker Lethargy Trap Nissa's Chosen --> World Queller Hideous End Into the Roil Graypelt Refuge Shatterskull Giant Plains Stonework Puma Merfolk Wayfinder Pack 2 pick 2: Mold Shambler Trapmaker's Snare Kabira Crossroads Whiplash Trap Tempest Owl Disfigure Noble Vestige Turntimber Basilisk Hedron Scrabbler Mindless Null Forest Spell Pierce Zektar Shrine Expedition --> Punishing Fire Pack 2 pick 3: Adventuring Gear --> Burst Lightning Giant Scorpion Spire Barrage Halo Hunter Summoner's Bane Brave the Elements Reckless Scholar Savage Silhouette Vampire Lacerator Highland Berserker Mountain Soaring Seacliff Pack 2 pick 4: Caller of Gales Kor Cartographer Murasa Pyromancer Sejiri Refuge Tajuru Archer --> Goblin Shortcutter Desecrated Earth Swamp Narrow Escape Turntimber Grove Spidersilk Net Caravan Hurda Pack 2 pick 5: Mindless Null Relic Crush --> Teetering Peaks Plains Nimbus Wings Tempest Owl Hagra Crocodile Noble Vestige Landbind Ritual Hedron Crab Spell Pierce Pack 2 pick 6: Cliff Threader --> Windborne Charge Savage Silhouette Kazandu Refuge Goblin War Paint Seismic Shudder Giant Scorpion Caller of Gales Swamp Caravan Hurda Pack 2 pick 7: Swamp Mire Blight Zendikar Farguide Shieldmate's Blessing Cancel Vastwood Gorger Magma Rift --> Highland Berserker Feast of Blood Pack 2 pick 8: Brave the Elements Mountain Molten Ravager Cancel Beast Hunt Demolish Shoal Serpent --> Khalni Gem Pack 2 pick 9: --> Bold Defense Desecrated Earth Goblin Bushwhacker Lethargy Trap Graypelt Refuge Plains Merfolk Wayfinder Pack 2 pick 10: --> Kabira Crossroads Tempest Owl Noble Vestige Mindless Null Forest Spell Pierce Pack 2 pick 11: Brave the Elements --> Reckless Scholar Savage Silhouette Mountain Soaring Seacliff Pack 2 pick 12: Caller of Gales Desecrated Earth Swamp --> Turntimber Grove Pack 2 pick 13: --> Plains Noble Vestige Spell Pierce Pack 2 pick 14: Caller of Gales --> Caravan Hurda Pack 2 pick 15: --> Swamp ------ ZEN ------ Pack 3 pick 1: Desecrated Earth Goblin Shortcutter Akoum Refuge Forest Timbermaw Larva Explorer's Scope Sphinx of Jwar Isle Bold Defense Narrow Escape Into the Roil Runeflare Trap Ruinous Minotaur Hideous End Turntimber Grove --> Kor Aeronaut Pack 3 pick 2: Г†ther Figment Carnage Altar --> Burst Lightning Gigantiform Demolish Pillarfield Ox Beast Hunt Kor Aeronaut Joraga Bard Swamp Explorer's Scope Grim Discovery Cancel Noble Vestige Pack 3 pick 3: Archmage Ascension Bold Defense Nimbus Wings Forest Vampire's Bite Spell Pierce Into the Roil Ruinous Minotaur --> Magma Rift Landbind Ritual Mindless Null River Boa Relic Crush Pack 3 pick 4: Spell Pierce Into the Roil Grim Discovery Forest Quest for the Holy Relic Relic Crush Demolish Quest for the Gravelord Grazing Gladehart --> Goblin Ruinblaster Bog Tatters Kor Outfitter Pack 3 pick 5: Kraken Hatchling Hellfire Mongrel --> Kor Hookmaster Makindi Shieldmate Caller of Gales Blood Seeker Desecrated Earth Brave the Elements (FOIL) Needlebite Trap Turntimber Grove Mountain Pack 3 pick 6: Pillarfield Ox Hedron Scrabbler Brave the Elements --> Goblin Bushwhacker Explorer's Scope Swamp Lethargy Trap Khalni Gem Vines of Vastwood Blood Tribute Pack 3 pick 7: Swamp --> Mark of Mutiny Cancel Bog Tatters Whiplash Trap Shieldmate's Blessing Hedron Crab Mire Blight Zendikar Farguide Pack 3 pick 8: Forest Ruinous Minotaur (FOIL) Shoal Serpent Kor Outfitter Soaring Seacliff Sunspring Expedition Goblin Ruinblaster --> Hellfire Mongrel Pack 3 pick 9: Desecrated Earth Forest --> Explorer's Scope Bold Defense Runeflare Trap Ruinous Minotaur Turntimber Grove Pack 3 pick 10: Carnage Altar --> Demolish Beast Hunt Swamp Grim Discovery Cancel Pack 3 pick 11: Forest Spell Pierce --> Ruinous Minotaur Landbind Ritual Mindless Null Pack 3 pick 12: Spell Pierce Forest Quest for the Holy Relic --> Demolish Pack 3 pick 13: Caller of Gales --> Needlebite Trap Mountain Pack 3 pick 14: Swamp --> Lethargy Trap Pack 3 pick 15: --> Mire Blight Итоговая колода

Вась, ну привыкни ты уже разжёвывать для меня Впрочем, думаю, что не только для меня. Конкретнее пиши пожалуйста и более развёрнуто, если можно Ну там по пикам пройдись, скажи что не так взял и почему. Что имеешь в виду под "полной отстойностью курвы". Мне казалось, что 3-5-5-5-4-1 - это не самая ужасная курва из тех, что бывают. Расскажи, какая она должна быть? P.S. Я никогда не спрашивал "как играть врасом", благо как и ты далеко не первый год в эту игру играю. Я говорил о том, что по моим ощущениям, в этом формате врас довольно легко читается, потому менее крут.

И опять GW. И опять Turntimber Ranger выступает соло Посплитил. Event #: 677971Time: 11/9/2009 8:58:53 PM Players: UME jennifer_rubin achilles_heel Anssi A Kyshantry --> dolenin Otty666 Zombieinvasion ------ ZEN ------ Pack 1 pick 1: Vampire Lacerator Soaring Seacliff Shieldmate's Blessing Spire Barrage Slaughter Cry Baloth Cage Trap Cancel Devout Lightcaster Magma Rift --> Windborne Charge Quest for the Gemblades Zendikar Farguide Territorial Baloth Bog Tatters Mountain Pack 1 pick 2: Kor Cartographer Graypelt Refuge Island Kazandu Blademaster Harrow Adventuring Gear Highland Berserker --> Journey to Nowhere Piranha Marsh Sky Ruin Drake Welkin Tern Molten Ravager (FOIL) Grazing Gladehart Elemental Appeal Pack 1 pick 3: Joraga Bard Forest Sunspring Expedition Highland Berserker Akoum Refuge --> Turntimber Ranger Shoal Serpent Runeflare Trap Grim Discovery Geyser Glider Disfigure Slaughter Cry Reckless Scholar Pack 1 pick 4: Hedron Scrabbler Blood Seeker Goblin Bushwhacker Kor Duelist Ondu Cleric --> Baloth Cage Trap Reckless Scholar Hagra Crocodile Vastwood Gorger Island Mold Shambler Kabira Crossroads Pack 1 pick 5: Shatterskull Giant Oran-Rief Recluse Hagra Crocodile --> Kor Hookmaster Swamp Stonework Puma Feast of Blood Savage Silhouette Teetering Peaks Heartstabber Mosquito Arrow Volley Trap Pack 1 pick 6: Mire Blight Tempest Owl Hedron Scrabbler Grappling Hook --> Frontier Guide Zektar Shrine Expedition Merfolk Wayfinder Slaughter Cry Vampire Lacerator Scythe Tiger Pack 1 pick 7: Reckless Scholar Mark of Mutiny Ondu Cleric Explorer's Scope --> Nissa's Chosen Goblin War Paint Teetering Peaks Plains Vastwood Gorger Pack 1 pick 8: Arrow Volley Trap Into the Roil --> Primal Bellow Unstable Footing Whiplash Trap Piranha Marsh Mountain Ior Ruin Expedition Pack 1 pick 9: Soaring Seacliff Shieldmate's Blessing Cancel Zendikar Farguide --> Territorial Baloth Bog Tatters Mountain Pack 1 pick 10: Graypelt Refuge Island --> Harrow Piranha Marsh Sky Ruin Drake Molten Ravager (FOIL) Pack 1 pick 11: Sunspring Expedition Shoal Serpent Runeflare Trap Grim Discovery --> Slaughter Cry Pack 1 pick 12: Hedron Scrabbler --> Reckless Scholar Island Kabira Crossroads Pack 1 pick 13: Oran-Rief Recluse Swamp --> Arrow Volley Trap Pack 1 pick 14: Tempest Owl --> Scythe Tiger Pack 1 pick 15: --> Plains ------ ZEN ------ Pack 2 pick 1: Steppe Lynx Shatterskull Giant Umara Raptor --> Journey to Nowhere Needlebite Trap Kazandu Refuge Savage Silhouette Cosi's Trickster Windrider Eel Cobra Trap Giant Scorpion Spire Barrage Mountain Oran-Rief Survivalist Vines of Vastwood Pack 2 pick 2: Demolish --> Kor Cartographer Torch Slinger Umara Raptor Geyser Glider Primal Bellow Molten Ravager Grim Discovery Cancel Hagra Diabolist Noble Vestige Blade of the Bloodchief Blood Seeker (FOIL) Forest Pack 2 pick 3: Kor Skyfisher Plains Kabira Crossroads Tanglesap Greenweaver Druid Mold Shambler Makindi Shieldmate Inferno Trap Caravan Hurda Highland Berserker Kraken Hatchling Whiplash Trap --> World Queller Pack 2 pick 4: Forest Kor Cartographer Cliff Threader Windrider Eel Savage Silhouette Akoum Refuge Geyser Glider Oran-Rief Recluse Runeflare Trap --> Adventuring Gear Plated Geopede Electropotence Pack 2 pick 5: Vampire Lacerator Needlebite Trap Bold Defense Frontier Guide Swamp Sky Ruin Drake --> Vines of Vastwood Pillarfield Ox Tuktuk Grunts Ior Ruin Expedition Shatterskull Giant Pack 2 pick 6: Territorial Baloth Spreading Seas --> Kor Aeronaut Caravan Hurda Guul Draz Vampire Swamp Kor Sanctifiers Seismic Shudder Hedron Crab Expedition Map Pack 2 pick 7: Quest for the Holy Relic Forest Shieldmate's Blessing Magma Rift Khalni Heart Expedition Cancel Mire Blight Zendikar Farguide --> Kor Hookmaster Pack 2 pick 8: Shieldmate's Blessing Trapfinder's Trick Nimbus Wings Landbind Ritual Mountain Runeflare Trap Paralyzing Grasp --> Khalni Heart Expedition Pack 2 pick 9: Shatterskull Giant Kazandu Refuge Savage Silhouette Cosi's Trickster Cobra Trap Mountain --> Vines of Vastwood Pack 2 pick 10: Demolish --> Primal Bellow Grim Discovery Cancel Noble Vestige Forest Pack 2 pick 11: Plains Kabira Crossroads Tanglesap Caravan Hurda --> Kraken Hatchling Pack 2 pick 12: Forest --> Kor Cartographer Savage Silhouette Runeflare Trap Pack 2 pick 13: --> Bold Defense Swamp Ior Ruin Expedition Pack 2 pick 14: --> Caravan Hurda Swamp Pack 2 pick 15: --> Mire Blight ------ ZEN ------ Pack 3 pick 1: Spidersilk Net Tanglesap Swamp Goblin War Paint Kor Sanctifiers Lethargy Trap Guul Draz Vampire --> Emeria Angel Heartstabber Mosquito Oran-Rief Survivalist Tajuru Archer Spreading Seas Murasa Pyromancer Makindi Shieldmate Carnage Altar Pack 3 pick 2: Disfigure Bala Ged Thief Soul Stair Expedition Joraga Bard Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Molten Ravager Punishing Fire Sejiri Refuge Timbermaw Larva Mountain --> Turntimber Basilisk Explorer's Scope Tempest Owl Pack 3 pick 3: Kor Outfitter Spidersilk Net Blood Tribute Demolish Bog Tatters Relic Crush --> Windborne Charge Spell Pierce Plains Greenweaver Druid Turntimber Basilisk Welkin Tern Vampire's Bite Pack 3 pick 4: Kabira Crossroads Hagra Diabolist Cliff Threader Ravenous Trap Surrakar Marauder Windrider Eel Swamp Mold Shambler Kor Cartographer Hagra Crocodile Oran-Rief Recluse --> Felidar Sovereign Pack 3 pick 5: Soaring Seacliff Vampire's Bite Harrow Demolish Forest Heartstabber Mosquito Relic Crush --> Kor Sanctifiers Zendikar Farguide Bog Tatters Quest for Pure Flame Pack 3 pick 6: Cancel Noble Vestige --> Cliff Threader Piranha Marsh Forest Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Goblin Ruinblaster Joraga Bard Paralyzing Grasp Pack 3 pick 7: Carnage Altar --> Mold Shambler Merfolk Wayfinder Desecrated Earth Narrow Escape Quest for the Holy Relic Turntimber Grove Island Whiplash Trap Pack 3 pick 8: Beast Hunt --> Oran-Rief Recluse (FOIL) Swamp Scythe Tiger Whiplash Trap Vastwood Gorger Trapfinder's Trick Quest for Ancient Secrets Pack 3 pick 9: Spidersilk Net Tanglesap Swamp Lethargy Trap Spreading Seas --> Makindi Shieldmate Carnage Altar Pack 3 pick 10: Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Sejiri Refuge --> Timbermaw Larva Mountain Tempest Owl Pack 3 pick 11: Spidersilk Net Demolish Spell Pierce Plains --> Vampire's Bite Pack 3 pick 12: Kabira Crossroads --> Cliff Threader Ravenous Trap Swamp Pack 3 pick 13: Demolish Forest --> Relic Crush Pack 3 pick 14: Noble Vestige --> Forest Pack 3 pick 15: --> Desecrated Earth Итоговая колода В колоду было 33 карты. В итоге не стал играть ловушкой, зато 2 раза её сайдил.

Cleric Миша, и не думай спорить Сам понимаешь, общественное мнение - строгая штука kendzu Лёш, какую земельку и почему не люблю?

Слушайте, а проблема именно в обсуждении кто кому что даёт? Это же обычно и не обсуждается. -Давай сплит. -Давай. -Сдаёшься? -Давай ты. Всё. Это весь разговор. Где тут нелегальность? Вроде как предложить поделить призы ты имеешь право. Предложить сдаться тоже. Как, собственно, и сдаться. Нельзя обсуждать материальную компенсацию за это, то есть решать исход матча не игровыми методами. Ну так её почти никогда никто и не обсуждает. Или тут что-то я упустил?

Зачем? Труба у меня с кучей существ отлично комбится. Хотя, конечно, раздачи типа: "труба-геопеда-эквип, вторая геопеда и поскакали" я видел только у оппонентов. Играть им не буду точно. А эту сайдил в матче, где видел 5 кажется карт красного бёрна. А я ранодушен к василиску. Мне геар нравится много больше. Не был уверен, что будут давать оба цвета. Хотя вероятнее всего ты прав, надо было спокойно брать карту в цвет. Возможно, не знаю. Очень уж нравится спелл.

Ну да, все вроде сплитят и потом решают, кто паки даёт. А как это делать так, чтобы не могло быть потом проблем?

Фойловый ангел намекал, что надо его брать. Ренджера отдал налево, но от второго отказаться не смог. Посплитил. Event #: 676041Time: 11/9/2009 4:01:57 AM Players: Scouseboy pernicious d Boin mogwai20 --> dolenin SoftSeventeen reyf CReactor ------ ZEN ------ Pack 1 pick 1: Turntimber Ranger Kraken Hatchling Explorer's Scope Sky Ruin Drake Goblin War Paint Caravan Hurda --> Emeria Angel (FOIL) Vines of Vastwood Burst Lightning Brave the Elements Disfigure Swamp Pillarfield Ox Kor Aeronaut Blazing Torch Pack 1 pick 2: Punishing Fire Disfigure Swamp Paralyzing Grasp Spreading Seas Hagra Diabolist Caravan Hurda Timbermaw Larva Nissa's Chosen Bladetusk Boar Explorer's Scope Guul Draz Vampire Unstable Footing --> Turntimber Ranger Pack 1 pick 3: Sky Ruin Drake Spell Pierce --> Adventuring Gear Greenweaver Druid Quest for Pure Flame Plains Noble Vestige Nimbus Wings Mindless Null Magma Rift Turntimber Basilisk Highland Berserker Relic Crush Pack 1 pick 4: Blade of the Bloodchief Swamp Zektar Shrine Expedition Noble Vestige Mindless Null Expedition Map Tempest Owl --> Surrakar Marauder Scythe Tiger Hedron Crab Hedron Scrabbler Quest for the Gemblades Pack 1 pick 5: Savage Silhouette Reckless Scholar Makindi Shieldmate Caller of Gales --> Giant Scorpion Blood Seeker Turntimber Basilisk Needlebite Trap Cliff Threader Mountain Desecrated Earth Pack 1 pick 6: Whiplash Trap Hedron Crab Landbind Ritual Nimbus Wings Zektar Shrine Expedition Kabira Crossroads Plains --> Khalni Heart Expedition Trapfinder's Trick Zendikar Farguide Pack 1 pick 7: Turntimber Grove Akoum Refuge --> Territorial Baloth Plains (FOIL) Seismic Shudder Archmage Ascension Mountain Guul Draz Vampire Narrow Escape Pack 1 pick 8: Desecrated Earth Cobra Trap Turntimber Grove Primal Bellow Mountain Quest for Ancient Secrets --> Territorial Baloth Caller of Gales Pack 1 pick 9: Kraken Hatchling Explorer's Scope Goblin War Paint Caravan Hurda --> Vines of Vastwood Swamp Pillarfield Ox Pack 1 pick 10: Swamp Spreading Seas Caravan Hurda --> Timbermaw Larva Guul Draz Vampire Unstable Footing Pack 1 pick 11: Spell Pierce Quest for Pure Flame Plains Mindless Null --> Relic Crush Pack 1 pick 12: Swamp Tempest Owl Scythe Tiger --> Quest for the Gemblades Pack 1 pick 13: --> Savage Silhouette Mountain Desecrated Earth Pack 1 pick 14: --> Plains Trapfinder's Trick ------ ZEN ------ Pack 2 pick 1: Oran-Rief Survivalist Frontier Guide Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle Slaughter Cry Kor Outfitter Baloth Cage Trap Island Kor Hookmaster Vampire Lacerator Trapfinder's Trick --> Windborne Charge (FOIL) Vampire's Bite Scythe Tiger Unstable Footing Beast Hunt Pack 2 pick 2: Beast Hunt Shieldmate's Blessing Island Slaughter Cry --> River Boa Mind Sludge Cancel Harrow Vampire Lacerator Tuktuk Grunts Ior Ruin Expedition Bog Tatters Bloodghast Zendikar Farguide Pack 2 pick 3: Forest Kor Cartographer Torch Slinger Harrow Trailblazer's Boots Cliff Threader Piranha Marsh Gatekeeper of Malakir Timbermaw Larva Bladetusk Boar Vampire Lacerator Geyser Glider --> Grazing Gladehart Pack 2 pick 4: Ravenous Trap Cancel Tuktuk Grunts Bog Tatters --> Kor Hookmaster Oran-Rief Recluse Shieldmate's Blessing (FOIL) Sejiri Refuge Shieldmate's Blessing Mountain Beast Hunt Zendikar Farguide Pack 2 pick 5: Cancel Bog Tatters Magosi, the Waterveil Scythe Tiger Unstable Footing Cobra Trap Spidersilk Net Slaughter Cry --> Kor Outfitter Swamp Beast Hunt Pack 2 pick 6: Ruinous Minotaur Sadistic Sacrament Tanglesap Guul Draz Vampire Goblin War Paint Kor Duelist Makindi Shieldmate --> Graypelt Refuge Pillarfield Ox Forest Pack 2 pick 7: Runeflare Trap Reckless Scholar Hagra Diabolist Greenweaver Druid Forest Vastwood Gorger Spidersilk Net --> Explorer's Scope Ruinous Minotaur Pack 2 pick 8: Kabira Crossroads Reckless Scholar Savage Silhouette Heartstabber Mosquito --> Frontier Guide Kor Cartographer Forest Tajuru Archer Pack 2 pick 9: --> Frontier Guide Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle Slaughter Cry Island Trapfinder's Trick Scythe Tiger Beast Hunt Pack 2 pick 10: Beast Hunt Shieldmate's Blessing Island Cancel Ior Ruin Expedition --> Zendikar Farguide Pack 2 pick 11: Forest Kor Cartographer --> Harrow Trailblazer's Boots Timbermaw Larva Pack 2 pick 12: --> Shieldmate's Blessing (FOIL) Shieldmate's Blessing Mountain Beast Hunt Pack 2 pick 13: Scythe Tiger --> Cobra Trap Beast Hunt Pack 2 pick 14: Tanglesap --> Pillarfield Ox Pack 2 pick 15: --> Runeflare Trap ------ ZEN ------ Pack 3 pick 1: Caller of Gales --> Oran-Rief Recluse Punishing Fire Narrow Escape Hellfire Mongrel Umara Raptor Needlebite Trap Surrakar Marauder Goblin Bushwhacker Desecrated Earth Lethargy Trap Nissa's Chosen Torch Slinger Summoning Trap Mountain Pack 3 pick 2: Soul Stair Expedition --> Journey to Nowhere Khalni Heart Expedition Quest for Pure Flame Savage Silhouette Hagra Crocodile Molten Ravager Shatterskull Giant Murasa Pyromancer Shieldmate's Blessing Shoal Serpent Quest for the Gemblades Windrider Eel Swamp Pack 3 pick 3: Oran-Rief Recluse Spreading Seas Trapmaker's Snare Seismic Shudder Nissa's Chosen Mountain Goblin Ruinblaster Surrakar Marauder Vampire Hexmage Goblin Shortcutter --> Scute Mob Spidersilk Net Caravan Hurda Pack 3 pick 4: Mind Sludge Tuktuk Grunts Kraken Hatchling Ondu Cleric Narrow Escape Forest Expedition Map Blood Seeker Nissa's Chosen Goblin War Paint Khalni Gem --> Harrow Pack 3 pick 5: Ior Ruin Expedition Stonework Puma Vampire Lacerator Hideous End Bold Defense Shatterskull Giant Plains Into the Roil Territorial Baloth --> Grazing Gladehart Seascape Aerialist Pack 3 pick 6: Beast Hunt Quest for the Gemblades Grim Discovery --> Vines of Vastwood Tajuru Archer Quest for Pure Flame Swamp Soul Stair Expedition Shieldmate's Blessing Shoal Serpent Pack 3 pick 7: Savage Silhouette Kazandu Refuge Caravan Hurda Kraken Hatchling --> Cliff Threader Reckless Scholar Tanglesap Swamp Giant Scorpion Pack 3 pick 8: Molten Ravager Grim Discovery Plains --> Shieldmate's Blessing Shoal Serpent Khalni Gem Beast Hunt Seascape Aerialist Pack 3 pick 9: Caller of Gales Narrow Escape Needlebite Trap --> Surrakar Marauder Desecrated Earth Lethargy Trap Mountain Pack 3 pick 10: Soul Stair Expedition Quest for Pure Flame Savage Silhouette --> Shoal Serpent Quest for the Gemblades Swamp Pack 3 pick 11: Spreading Seas Trapmaker's Snare Mountain Spidersilk Net --> Caravan Hurda Pack 3 pick 12: --> Narrow Escape Forest Expedition Map Goblin War Paint Pack 3 pick 13: --> Ior Ruin Expedition Plains Seascape Aerialist Pack 3 pick 14: Beast Hunt --> Swamp Pack 3 pick 15: --> Tanglesap Итоговая колода

Не хотел писать в отвлечённую тему... Тем более, что это напрямую к 8-4 относится. Насколько безопасно писать в приват сопернику по финалу фразу типа: Do you want to split? Я просто слышал ужасы про баны аккаунтов и т.д. Есть на этот счёт достоверная информация?

Вот собрал небольшое уг :-) Сыграл 2-1. Есть несколько филлеров, ничего не смог в финале сделать с быстрыми кошками/союзниками GW. Где люди такие карты видят - я не знаю. 2 кошки, куча эллаев, мачете... До свидания. Event #: 675754Time: 11/9/2009 2:08:14 AM Players: Intellectx snoogms SandyTimar --> dolenin ytb BlueMage22x hmz zinzinnat ------ ZEN ------ Pack 1 pick 1: Grim Discovery Living Tsunami Slaughter Cry Harrow Island Joraga Bard --> Sphinx of Lost Truths Mind Sludge Kazandu Blademaster Kor Cartographer Torch Slinger Vampire Lacerator Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition Shoal Serpent Pack 1 pick 2: Disfigure Timbermaw Larva Mountain Tanglesap Paralyzing Grasp Summoner's Bane Hellfire Mongrel Goblin Shortcutter Caller of Gales Kazandu Blademaster --> Gigantiform Explorer's Scope Blood Seeker Pillarfield Ox Pack 1 pick 3: Joraga Bard Grim Discovery Swamp Expedition Map --> Welkin Tern Merfolk Wayfinder Unstable Footing Shoal Serpent Spire Barrage Kor Outfitter Oran-Rief Survivalist Sunspring Expedition Spell Pierce Pack 1 pick 4: Hagra Diabolist Seismic Shudder Turntimber Grove Harrow Caravan Hurda Trailblazer's Boots Guul Draz Vampire Geyser Glider Tuktuk Grunts --> Kraken Hatchling Spreading Seas Forest Pack 1 pick 5: Steppe Lynx Tanglesap Blood Seeker Goblin War Paint Spire Barrage Sadistic Sacrament Goblin Bushwhacker Plains Guul Draz Vampire --> Seascape Aerialist Lethargy Trap Pack 1 pick 6: Kabira Crossroads Vastwood Gorger Spidersilk Net Island Teetering Peaks Ravenous Trap Crypt Ripper --> Geyser Glider Kor Outfitter (FOIL) Hagra Crocodile Pack 1 pick 7: Explorer's Scope Soaring Seacliff Ruinous Minotaur Bold Defense Plains Kor Duelist Vastwood Gorger --> Harrow Jwar Isle Refuge Pack 1 pick 8: Seismic Shudder Swamp Ondu Cleric Savage Silhouette --> Vines of Vastwood Spreading Seas Hedron Scrabbler Kazandu Refuge Pack 1 pick 9: Grim Discovery --> Harrow Island Joraga Bard Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition Shoal Serpent Pack 1 pick 10: --> Timbermaw Larva Mountain Tanglesap Goblin Shortcutter Caller of Gales Pillarfield Ox Pack 1 pick 11: --> Joraga Bard Swamp Expedition Map Shoal Serpent Spell Pierce Pack 1 pick 12: --> Turntimber Grove Caravan Hurda Trailblazer's Boots Forest Pack 1 pick 13: --> Goblin War Paint Sadistic Sacrament Plains Pack 1 pick 14: --> Island Ravenous Trap Pack 1 pick 15: --> Plains ------ ZEN ------ Pack 2 pick 1: Scythe Tiger Vampire Hexmage Joraga Bard Journey to Nowhere Highland Berserker Sky Ruin Drake Plains Zektar Shrine Expedition Grazing Gladehart Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition Slaughter Cry --> Roil Elemental Graypelt Refuge Merfolk Seastalkers Pack 2 pick 2: Kor Skyfisher Plains Mindless Null Seascape Aerialist Whiplash Trap --> Mold Shambler Demolish Joraga Bard Mindbreak Trap Noble Vestige Kor Aeronaut Grim Discovery Cancel Disfigure Pack 2 pick 3: Shoal Serpent Hedron Crab Quest for the Gemblades --> Punishing Fire Khalni Heart Expedition Swamp Trapfinder's Trick Nimbus Wings Spire Barrage Mountain (FOIL) Spidersilk Net Soul Stair Expedition Ior Ruin Expedition Pack 2 pick 4: Forest Hedron Scrabbler Khalni Gem Seismic Shudder Nissa's Chosen Oran-Rief Recluse Kor Cartographer Spreading Seas Ravenous Trap Ondu Cleric --> Scute Mob Goblin Bushwhacker Pack 2 pick 5: Kraken Hatchling Forest Turntimber Grove Bold Defense Explorer's Scope Piranha Marsh Ruinous Minotaur Desecrated Earth --> Timbermaw Larva Seismic Shudder Into the Roil Pack 2 pick 6: Slaughter Cry Archmage Ascension Grim Discovery Joraga Bard Shoal Serpent Mountain Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition --> Goblin Ruinblaster Expedition Map Pack 2 pick 7: Swamp Zektar Shrine Expedition Noble Vestige Scythe Tiger Unstable Footing Mindless Null --> Whiplash Trap Tempest Owl Hedron Scrabbler Pack 2 pick 8: --> Mind Sludge Kor Cartographer Spreading Seas Quest for the Holy Relic Bloodchief Ascension Forest Spidersilk Net Lethargy Trap Pack 2 pick 9: Scythe Tiger Joraga Bard Plains --> Zektar Shrine Expedition Mire Blight Sunspring Expedition Slaughter Cry Pack 2 pick 10: Plains --> Seascape Aerialist Demolish Noble Vestige Grim Discovery Cancel Pack 2 pick 11: --> Shoal Serpent Swamp Trapfinder's Trick Nimbus Wings Mountain (FOIL) Pack 2 pick 12: Forest --> Seismic Shudder Spreading Seas Ravenous Trap Pack 2 pick 13: Forest Desecrated Earth --> Seismic Shudder Pack 2 pick 14: --> Mountain Sunspring Expedition Pack 2 pick 15: --> Scythe Tiger ------ ZEN ------ Pack 3 pick 1: Savage Silhouette Nissa's Chosen Narrow Escape Stonework Puma Quest for the Gravelord Goblin War Paint Swamp Hagra Crocodile Caller of Gales Murasa Pyromancer Teetering Peaks Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle --> Windrider Eel Shatterskull Giant Runeflare Trap Pack 3 pick 2: Steppe Lynx --> Nissa's Chosen Tuktuk Grunts Narrow Escape Vampire Hexmage Caravan Hurda Goblin War Paint Oran-Rief, the Vastwood Plains Crypt Ripper Caller of Gales Graypelt Refuge Merfolk Seastalkers Desecrated Earth Pack 3 pick 3: Pillarfield Ox Joraga Bard Paralyzing Grasp Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Landbind Ritual Primal Bellow --> Vines of Vastwood Baloth Cage Trap Electropotence Mountain Cancel Noble Vestige Pack 3 pick 4: Relic Crush Vampire's Bite Mountain --> Oran-Rief Survivalist Turntimber Basilisk Magma Rift Blade of the Bloodchief Spell Pierce Trapfinder's Trick Feast of Blood Nimbus Wings Spidersilk Net Pack 3 pick 5: Blood Tribute Bold Defense Summoner's Bane Vines of Vastwood Shatterskull Giant Jwar Isle Refuge Into the Roil Kor Hookmaster Nimana Sell-Sword --> Welkin Tern Island Pack 3 pick 6: Quest for Ancient Secrets Into the Roil Mark of Mutiny Primal Bellow Mountain Piranha Marsh Goblin War Paint --> Timbermaw Larva Lethargy Trap Tanglesap Pack 3 pick 7: Caravan Hurda Feast of Blood (FOIL) Guul Draz Vampire Goblin Ruinblaster Turntimber Grove Island Tajuru Archer --> Nissa's Chosen Frontier Guide Pack 3 pick 8: Tanglesap Goblin Bushwhacker Akoum Refuge Grappling Hook Mountain Goblin War Paint Guul Draz Vampire --> Cobra Trap Pack 3 pick 9: Savage Silhouette Narrow Escape Goblin War Paint Swamp Caller of Gales --> Teetering Peaks Runeflare Trap Pack 3 pick 10: Narrow Escape --> Oran-Rief, the Vastwood Plains Caller of Gales Graypelt Refuge Desecrated Earth Pack 3 pick 11: --> Joraga Bard Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Mountain Noble Vestige Pack 3 pick 12: Mountain Trapfinder's Trick --> Nimbus Wings Spidersilk Net Pack 3 pick 13: --> Bold Defense Jwar Isle Refuge Island Pack 3 pick 14: Mountain --> Piranha Marsh Pack 3 pick 15: --> Island Итоговая колода

Так я и старался подобрать мелочи. Тот же треп таки взял на круге и т.д. Но кол-во существ удручало весь драфт :(

Да я уже неоднократно задавал этот вопрос тут. Сам им играл пару раз в силедах. То ничего не делал, то игру выигрывал за 1 атаку. Кто-то писал, что поломий едва ли не в любой деке, решил попробовать взять. А, вот, нашёл:

Выкладываю драфт после первого тура. Просто не могу срочно не поделиться тем, что я увидел на протяжении первых 15 пиков. Победил меня во втором туре Mono-R. Вот объясните, как могут быть столь... скромны на существа все 8 бустеров? Точнее в 1м кажется что-то было, а остальные - хоть стой, хоть падай. Посчитал сейчас для интереса: 3 белые кричи, 2 чёрные, 2 красные, 3 синие и 2 зелёные. Event #: 675490Time: 11/9/2009 12:27:11 AM Players: hГјtti Aziridine lincolnfrog --> dolenin Sowers Candeva YSoSerious mtg2italy ------ ZEN ------ Pack 1 pick 1: Tempest Owl Torch Slinger Ravenous Trap Umara Raptor Kazandu Blademaster --> Eldrazi Monument Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Vampire Lacerator Summoner's Bane Forest Steppe Lynx Cancel Noble Vestige Joraga Bard Pack 1 pick 2: Trapfinder's Trick Khalni Heart Expedition Quest for Pure Flame --> Reckless Scholar Teetering Peaks Quest for the Gemblades Vastwood Gorger Soul Stair Expedition Island Shieldmate's Blessing Shoal Serpent Khalni Gem Kabira Crossroads Molten Ravager Pack 1 pick 3: Expedition Map Mark of Mutiny Lethargy Trap Goblin Shortcutter Goblin Bushwhacker Akoum Refuge Bloodchief Ascension Forest --> Beastmaster Ascension (FOIL) Ondu Cleric Kor Sanctifiers Tanglesap Spire Barrage Pack 1 pick 4: Vampire's Bite Sky Ruin Drake Pillarfield Ox Relic Crush Windborne Charge Spell Pierce Runeflare Trap --> Vines of Vastwood Swamp Nimbus Wings Magma Rift Mindless Null Pack 1 pick 5: Trapfinder's Trick Explorer's Scope Vampire's Bite Trapmaker's Snare --> Magma Rift Scythe Tiger Nimbus Wings Pillarfield Ox Relic Crush Gomazoa Mountain Pack 1 pick 6: --> Tajuru Archer Swamp Trapfinder's Trick Zendikar Farguide Kabira Crossroads Hagra Crocodile Nimbus Wings Unstable Footing Shieldmate's Blessing Soul Stair Expedition Pack 1 pick 7: Narrow Escape Quest for Ancient Secrets Goblin Shortcutter Spreading Seas Heartstabber Mosquito Forest --> Tajuru Archer Seismic Shudder Blood Seeker Pack 1 pick 8: Bold Defense Heartstabber Mosquito --> Stonework Puma Feast of Blood Spidersilk Net Akoum Refuge Into the Roil Island Pack 1 pick 9: Tempest Owl Ravenous Trap Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Forest --> Cancel Noble Vestige Pack 1 pick 10: Trapfinder's Trick Quest for Pure Flame Island --> Shieldmate's Blessing Shoal Serpent Kabira Crossroads Pack 1 pick 11: Expedition Map --> Mark of Mutiny Lethargy Trap Forest Tanglesap Pack 1 pick 12: Spell Pierce Runeflare Trap --> Swamp Mindless Null Pack 1 pick 13: Trapfinder's Trick Trapmaker's Snare --> Mountain Pack 1 pick 14: --> Swamp Trapfinder's Trick Pack 1 pick 15: --> Forest ------ ZEN ------ Pack 2 pick 1: Explorer's Scope Lavaball Trap Timbermaw Larva Into the Roil Bold Defense Turntimber Basilisk Spire Barrage Ior Ruin Expedition Kor Sanctifiers Ruinous Minotaur Hideous End Hedron Crab --> Punishing Fire Plains Harrow Pack 2 pick 2: Expedition Map Trapfinder's Trick Blazing Torch Blade of the Bloodchief Bog Tatters Mountain Slaughter Cry Kor Outfitter --> Baloth Cage Trap Tuktuk Grunts Harrow Trailblazer's Boots Beast Hunt Scythe Tiger Pack 2 pick 3: Soaring Seacliff Vampire's Bite Relic Crush Vampire Lacerator Demolish Mountain Spire Barrage Hellfire Mongrel Murasa Pyromancer --> Territorial Baloth Bog Tatters Spell Pierce Zektar Shrine Expedition Pack 2 pick 4: Soaring Seacliff Shieldmate's Blessing Forest --> Harrow Runeflare Trap Bog Tatters Mark of Mutiny Cancel Beast Hunt Slaughter Cry Kor Outfitter Kor Sanctifiers Pack 2 pick 5: Ruinous Minotaur Kor Cartographer Vampire Hexmage Island Vastwood Gorger Spidersilk Net --> Harrow Teetering Peaks Reckless Scholar Graypelt Refuge Carnage Altar Pack 2 pick 6: Caller of Gales Mark of Mutiny Goblin War Paint Caravan Hurda Forest --> Timbermaw Larva Seismic Shudder Bladetusk Boar Explorer's Scope Kazandu Refuge Pack 2 pick 7: Swamp Khalni Heart Expedition Ravenous Trap Shieldmate's Blessing Savage Silhouette Magma Rift Cancel Mire Blight --> Zendikar Farguide Pack 2 pick 8: Goblin War Paint Caller of Gales Carnage Altar Island Spidersilk Net Hagra Diabolist --> Ior Ruin Expedition Ondu Cleric Pack 2 pick 9: Explorer's Scope Lavaball Trap --> Timbermaw Larva Bold Defense Ior Ruin Expedition Ruinous Minotaur Plains Pack 2 pick 10: --> Expedition Map Trapfinder's Trick Mountain Trailblazer's Boots Beast Hunt Scythe Tiger Pack 2 pick 11: Relic Crush Demolish Mountain Spell Pierce --> Zektar Shrine Expedition Pack 2 pick 12: --> Shieldmate's Blessing Forest Runeflare Trap Beast Hunt Pack 2 pick 13: Island Spidersilk Net --> Carnage Altar Pack 2 pick 14: Caller of Gales --> Forest Pack 2 pick 15: --> Swamp ------ ZEN ------ Pack 3 pick 1: Tempest Owl --> Oran-Rief Survivalist Archmage Ascension Tuktuk Grunts Kor Sanctifiers Crypt Ripper Landbind Ritual Primal Bellow Mire Blight Hedron Scrabbler Mountain Scythe Tiger Noble Vestige Merfolk Wayfinder Zektar Shrine Expedition Pack 3 pick 2: Into the Roil Kor Hookmaster Swamp Quest for the Holy Relic Vines of Vastwood Tuktuk Grunts Beastmaster Ascension Oran-Rief Recluse --> Punishing Fire Sky Ruin Drake Cobra Trap Bold Defense Heartstabber Mosquito Nimana Sell-Sword Pack 3 pick 3: Bladetusk Boar Needlebite Trap Needlebite Trap (FOIL) --> River Boa Paralyzing Grasp Plains Blazing Torch Spreading Seas Piranha Marsh Sky Ruin Drake Goblin Shortcutter Narrow Escape Cliff Threader Pack 3 pick 4: Reckless Scholar Kabira Crossroads Molten Ravager Goblin War Paint (FOIL) Arrow Volley Trap Soul Stair Expedition Unstable Footing Plains --> Frontier Guide Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition Tempest Owl Pack 3 pick 5: Territorial Baloth --> Mold Shambler Whiplash Trap Teetering Peaks Brave the Elements Crypt Ripper Blood Tribute Soaring Seacliff Island Stonework Puma Quest for the Gravelord Pack 3 pick 6: Makindi Shieldmate Caller of Gales Trapmaker's Snare --> Turntimber Grove Emeria, the Sky Ruin Brave the Elements Plains Desecrated Earth Ior Ruin Expedition Kraken Hatchling Pack 3 pick 7: --> Stonework Puma Pillarfield Ox Turntimber Grove Cosi's Trickster Desecrated Earth Narrow Escape Khalni Gem Plains Plains (FOIL) Pack 3 pick 8: Tempest Owl Kazandu Refuge Hedron Scrabbler Noble Vestige Spell Pierce --> Zektar Shrine Expedition Mindless Null Forest Pack 3 pick 9: Tempest Owl --> Archmage Ascension Landbind Ritual Mire Blight Mountain Noble Vestige Merfolk Wayfinder Pack 3 pick 10: Swamp Quest for the Holy Relic Vines of Vastwood Sky Ruin Drake --> Cobra Trap Nimana Sell-Sword Pack 3 pick 11: --> Paralyzing Grasp Plains Spreading Seas Piranha Marsh Narrow Escape Pack 3 pick 12: Plains Mindless Null Sunspring Expedition --> Tempest Owl Pack 3 pick 13: Brave the Elements --> Soaring Seacliff Island Pack 3 pick 14: Trapmaker's Snare --> Plains Pack 3 pick 15: --> Plains Итоговая колода

Блин, Вася... А в другой? Или ты к тому, что в деке с миллионами ремувала необязательно играть в 15 существ?

Класс, а чего на форуме нет сего достойного мужа? )

Вась, ты во сколько существ играть предпочитаешь? Тоже около 15, да?

Потому мы никому ничего не скажем и будем сидеть и хихикать...

Вась, спасибо, что попиково описал. Однако я вижу 2 критичных места (из того, то ты описал): Раптор и эквип в 3.8. Тогда непонятно замечание: Везде - это аж в 2х местах? Насчёт 1.1. Ну тут я не знаю... Может ты и прав. Однако про белую ловушку за полный кост забывать тоже не стоит. Всяких там 3/2 интимидейт и 2/1 интимидейт разрушает очень неплохо. А мы пока летаем... P.S. А баунс в деках с эвейжном обычно работает почти как ремувал. Ибо часто получается, что бегаем на встречных курсах, друг другу не мешаем, кто быстрее бегает, тот и молодец.

О... Вася, ты можешь по пикам что-нибудь сказать? Кажется твою моног никто какахоколодой не назвал, хотя и можно было. Впрочем, ты и не посплитился. Зачем давать оценку колоде, если можно указать на неправильные пики? Всем полезно и интересно будет услышать твоё мнение.

Ну эта... Спасибо, но я в курсе насчёт зависимости от качества Однако ещё один человек в копилку 15+ существ, да

Да, про Windborne Charge ты писал едва ли не в первом моём эвенте по этому сету, как сейчас помню И я вполне с тобой был согласен и тогда и сейчас. А где именно крутой врас? В каких колодах оппонент не понимает, что у нас врас на руке и наваливает на 2-3-4 кричи больше, чем с нашей стороны?

В общем, Вася, ты очень смелый, как мы выяснили