Что происходит с ценами?

[Azeroth]

1 час назад, Gallexy сказал:

Геншин, сейлормун, колорфул, всякие геройские типа сололевелинг и подобное. Просто в любую тыкай и клепай еще 300 уникальных карт и 5 разных наборов с редкими "вечером системник"

вот только геншина и не хватало нам...

[Jackie]

8 часов назад, casual as unicorn сказал:

И снова минутка некропостинга, поскольку YT подсунул мне видео по теме, которое стоит посмотреть с 20:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVgsMgABF4s 

Я из-за тебя всю ветку перечитал и мне опять неприятно стало. Спасибо

[Николай Иенко]

20 часов назад, casual as unicorn сказал:

И снова минутка некропостинга, поскольку YT подсунул мне видео по теме, которое стоит посмотреть с 20:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVgsMgABF4s 

Скрытый текст

 

[Redbeard]

First of all, kudos to such exemplary historical and economic study which really does parallel a lot of what's happening today.

Its really sad to see this happening to WOTC, they were bought relatively a long time ago and there were so many years of great competitive Magic, 1999-2021 ish. What contributed to that era was the continuity of the lore and the stable releases of product, it was a harmonious frequency, and the players didn't feel the change control too much, at least I didnt as someone whose been playing MTG since the 90's.

However the pandemic did little to right their ways after the Walking Dead leading up to FF, personally I don't know if we can say it was Hasbro or WOTC that were trigger happy, they both clearly enjoyed profiting while the state of the game fell into disarray. And now we have a can of worms, the lore is shot to hell and the community is kinda confused. And now we are kind of seeing what appear to be arbitrary rule changes. 

During this time other things became so apparent: recycling of mechanics with poorly thought out card bases(Drafting the Spiderman set was not fun at all for me, and I LOVE SPIDERMAN...I never bought a single product, no regrets) and AI art started hitting the scene and that hurt.

Furthermore these cross-collaborations turned MTG into like a poser collectible brand. Boy I remember those Expedition Lands, now that was a cool way to collect magic, but not necessary, and it didnt plague the community.  This pump and dump strategy  I really think is going to dilute the essence of MTG. You need to be able to keep the old player base if you are planning to grow. I guess you can remove the roots of a plant  and still propagate it....but that's kind of taking a gamble and you are killing something to grow something else.

To me I don't think a company wants to gamble, I think they see the state of the economy, the world, and they want to make as much money before things start to fall apart. 

 

The old MTG leaned heavy into the intellectual competitiveness.

The new MTG leans into Content Creators playing Canadian Highlander or Commander.

These are VERY DIFFERENT things.
 

If you are concerned about your MTG assets, keep what you like, have fun, sell the expensive stuff, and just replace hard to get cards with cool proxy's.

I think we will see a crash soon, along with Pokemon (Mostly the Modern), OP has already gone through its boom and bust, its a microcosm of what will happen to the other two in a sense. 

That's just my two rubbles ;), sorry for the English, I can speak and read Russian but not really type. My other languages are stronger :(.
 

[Zaraki]

Will crush soon (c) каждый год 20 лет, верим

 

 

[Александр Гречка]

[Makl]

Каждый год мы собираемся в клубе, что бы проводить Магию... 

[steampowered_raccoon]

10 часов назад, Redbeard сказал:

First of all, kudos to such exemplary historical and economic study which really does parallel a lot of what's happening today.

Its really sad to see this happening to WOTC, they were bought relatively a long time ago and there were so many years of great competitive Magic, 1999-2021 ish. What contributed to that era was the continuity of the lore and the stable releases of product, it was a harmonious frequency, and the players didn't feel the change control too much, at least I didnt as someone whose been playing MTG since the 90's.

However the pandemic did little to right their ways after the Walking Dead leading up to FF, personally I don't know if we can say it was Hasbro or WOTC that were trigger happy, they both clearly enjoyed profiting while the state of the game fell into disarray. And now we have a can of worms, the lore is shot to hell and the community is kinda confused. And now we are kind of seeing what appear to be arbitrary rule changes. 

During this time other things became so apparent: recycling of mechanics with poorly thought out card bases(Drafting the Spiderman set was not fun at all for me, and I LOVE SPIDERMAN...I never bought a single product, no regrets) and AI art started hitting the scene and that hurt.

Furthermore these cross-collaborations turned MTG into like a poser collectible brand. Boy I remember those Expedition Lands, now that was a cool way to collect magic, but not necessary, and it didnt plague the community.  This pump and dump strategy  I really think is going to dilute the essence of MTG. You need to be able to keep the old player base if you are planning to grow. I guess you can remove the roots of a plant  and still propagate it....but that's kind of taking a gamble and you are killing something to grow something else.

To me I don't think a company wants to gamble, I think they see the state of the economy, the world, and they want to make as much money before things start to fall apart. 

 

The old MTG leaned heavy into the intellectual competitiveness.

The new MTG leans into Content Creators playing Canadian Highlander or Commander.

These are VERY DIFFERENT things.
 

If you are concerned about your MTG assets, keep what you like, have fun, sell the expensive stuff, and just replace hard to get cards with cool proxy's.

I think we will see a crash soon, along with Pokemon (Mostly the Modern), OP has already gone through its boom and bust, its a microcosm of what will happen to the other two in a sense. 

That's just my two rubbles ;), sorry for the English, I can speak and read Russian but not really type. My other languages are stronger :(.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqow0TfaT44

[uberburner]

21.10.2026 в 01:31, Redbeard сказал:

two rubbles

Если это два рубля, то они rubles.

21.10.2026 в 01:31, Redbeard сказал:

crash

Только если игроки внезапно и достаточно массово решат, что карты не нужны. Магия "не та" уже 5 лет, как будто признаков резкого падения не наблюдается. И это в России, где с Магией известные проблемы примерно эти же 5 лет (look up #russianeedspromos in Twitter X). Тихое сползание в кучу кухонных ЕДХ-тусовочек, где лановарцами леса ищут? Так вроде и до 2021 говорили, что какой-то безумный процент Магии -- казуалы.

Great first post, btw. Welcome!

[CrazzyJagger]

Кто решил, что выгуливать LLM на форуме - смешно?

[АнтонМ]

21.10.2026 в 17:57, CrazzyJagger сказал:

Кто решил, что выгуливать LLM на форуме - смешно?

Может сбежала из песочницы?)) А потом через неделю новость выйдет, как ИИ агент пытался втереться в доверие к пользователям, выдавая себя за игрока в MTG?) 

[casual as unicorn]

21.10.2026 в 20:21, АнтонМ сказал:

Может сбежала из песочницы?)) А потом через неделю новость выйдет, как ИИ агент пытался втереться в доверие к пользователям, выдавая себя за игрока в MTG?) 

Потом полетит в Антверпен на ГП, дойдёт до полуфинала и проиграет Sylvan Scrying'у с топдека. 

[Orc]

Традиционно - "хоронили магию порвали два "декбокса"".

Есть несколько разнонаправленных импульсов результирующая которых, на мой взгляд, это продолжающееся изменение игры для относительно узкой группы лиц  в процесс массовой культурки. Это я не ругать, это для отличия от культуры.

Массовая культурка просто намного выгоднее для производителя из-за объёма рынка. Уже в процессе регистрации инвестиционные фонды которые включают в число активов оценённые по качеству карты магии.

Посчитаем деньги Сёмкина
Собственно процесс делания денег (считаем немного округлённо)

1). Выпускаем коллаборацию МТГ + МиМ (маша и медведь). В наборах только 999/1000 карт с сюжетом "скуф Медведь отправляет 16-и летнюю Машу обратно к бабушке, от греха". Печатаем 300 000 коллекционных коробок, по 30 долларов за печать коробки. Продаём 50 000 из них по 200 (минус комиссия) = 8 млн

2) Тысячную карту продаём сами себе через еБай за 1 000 шкур оленя. Расход - 150 долларов комиссий

3) Создаём модный токенизированный фонд "МиМ16+", который уверяет что цена карт вырастет в 30 раз. Фонд покупает 16+Маш с открытого рынка на собранные с разогретых инвесторов деньги и отдаёт в оценку. Берём комиссию за управление 2% - фонд собирает 1 млн. Комиссия за управление 20 тысяч в год. Мелочь, но приятно.

4) На ажиотаже отгружаем ещё 100 000 коробок на Амазон по 480 = 37 млн. (после комиссии)

5) Фонд растёт и проходит сертификацию. Поскольку мы выкупаем карты, которых только 999, с рынка на чужие деньги инвесторов цена карт растёт. = Самоисполняющееся пророчество. Цена карт уже две цены Пикачу Вангога - 5000 у.е.

6) Фонд купил уже 300 штук которые оценены в 1,5 млн. Наш фонд показал рост в 50% за квартал!!! Инвесторы бегут сувать нам деньги в открытые портфели.

7) Дорогие карты это актив. Мы отдаём их в залог и полученную сумму вкладываем в казначейки под % - это ещё 50 тыс. в год минус аудит и страхование.

😎На ажиотаже отгружаем ещё 150 000 коробок на Амазон по 720 = 85 млн. (после комиссии) Заметьте - весь "маркетинг" в виде роста цены ключевой карты оплачен счастливыми современными инвесторами.

9) С инвесторов собрано 20 млн. У фонда 900 сПорных карт (кусочков цветного картона в пластике) каждая из которых "оценивается" в 35. 000. "Стоимость" "активов" фонда согласно независимого аудита 31,5 млн. Отданные в залог активы приносят 1 млн процентов.

Итог:
Мы
- на выпуске коробок с картами валовый доход 130 млн.
- оценщик карт получил 0,18 млн.
- за управление фондом мы берём 0,6 млн в год и ещё 1 с процентов. В фонде на всю жизнь на работе все наши мужья жёны, племянники и попугайчики.
Да фонд не большой, сумма не большая, но и работы не много. Можно и в другие оцененные карты вкладывать. Карт Пикачу в обращении 55 000

Инвесторы получают виртуальный рост оценки актива равный инфляции и надежду что кому-то будет дело до этих карт когда инвесторам надо будет а пенсию.

Сравните со скучной продажей всех 300 тысяч коробок по пути издатель-дистрибьютор-клуб. Где скидка клуба была 40% и они ещё НАГЛО требовали промки в Х. Сумма валового дохода была бы всего 21,6 млн и ещё промки остались бы должны.
 

[EEk1TwEEk]

21 час назад, Redbeard сказал:

First of all, kudos to such exemplary historical and economic study which really does parallel a lot of what's happening today.

Its really sad to see this happening to WOTC, they were bought relatively a long time ago and there were so many years of great competitive Magic, 1999-2021 ish. What contributed to that era was the continuity of the lore and the stable releases of product, it was a harmonious frequency, and the players didn't feel the change control too much, at least I didnt as someone whose been playing MTG since the 90's.

However the pandemic did little to right their ways after the Walking Dead leading up to FF, personally I don't know if we can say it was Hasbro or WOTC that were trigger happy, they both clearly enjoyed profiting while the state of the game fell into disarray. And now we have a can of worms, the lore is shot to hell and the community is kinda confused. And now we are kind of seeing what appear to be arbitrary rule changes. 

During this time other things became so apparent: recycling of mechanics with poorly thought out card bases(Drafting the Spiderman set was not fun at all for me, and I LOVE SPIDERMAN...I never bought a single product, no regrets) and AI art started hitting the scene and that hurt.

Furthermore these cross-collaborations turned MTG into like a poser collectible brand. Boy I remember those Expedition Lands, now that was a cool way to collect magic, but not necessary, and it didnt plague the community.  This pump and dump strategy  I really think is going to dilute the essence of MTG. You need to be able to keep the old player base if you are planning to grow. I guess you can remove the roots of a plant  and still propagate it....but that's kind of taking a gamble and you are killing something to grow something else.

To me I don't think a company wants to gamble, I think they see the state of the economy, the world, and they want to make as much money before things start to fall apart. 

 

The old MTG leaned heavy into the intellectual competitiveness.

The new MTG leans into Content Creators playing Canadian Highlander or Commander.

These are VERY DIFFERENT things.
 

If you are concerned about your MTG assets, keep what you like, have fun, sell the expensive stuff, and just replace hard to get cards with cool proxy's.

I think we will see a crash soon, along with Pokemon (Mostly the Modern), OP has already gone through its boom and bust, its a microcosm of what will happen to the other two in a sense. 

That's just my two rubbles ;), sorry for the English, I can speak and read Russian but not really type. My other languages are stronger :(.
 

1. Мы тут все discussed всё что ты тут has written (we согласные с you)
2. Играй в premodern и limited
3. Все problems начались когда women стали во главе хасбро
4. Legacy го*но

 

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